eb3_nepa
03-16 04:37 PM
Thanks beppynyc. Fortunately nothing abt legals in that "warning". Does anyone know when the PACE and the TALENT act come up for debate?
Unfortunately this bill seems to be a total fight between Senate v/s house, Demo v/s Repub, Repub v/s repub. Like Senator Specter said, there is almost No common vision.
Still a little confused about what the actual stance is right now with Sen Frist's bill. Are they going to go ahead with the Frist bill or is the Senate Judiciary committee going to prevail?
Unfortunately this bill seems to be a total fight between Senate v/s house, Demo v/s Repub, Repub v/s repub. Like Senator Specter said, there is almost No common vision.
Still a little confused about what the actual stance is right now with Sen Frist's bill. Are they going to go ahead with the Frist bill or is the Senate Judiciary committee going to prevail?
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neverbefore
04-13 02:58 PM
Brother, your idea is good but practically it is very difficult.
Do you see a donate progress bar at the top, it took an entire month and lot of pushing to get 10,000 US$ in donation.
People are not willing to donate, many have questions about credibility and what work is being done, some have lost entire hope and hence not willing to donate.
It is like chicken and egg, we are asking people to donate to see change, some are saying change is not there and donation does not make a difference.
If it is so difficult to collect 10,000 US$ a month how can your plan collect 5 million ?
If someone is going to ask you the following questions what are your answers,
1) If i donate 50$ what is the feedback (in terms of info, progress) that i will get?
2) What will you do if the administration thanks us and takes the donation and gives it off to a non-profit education organization. (giving donation does not mean that they will do something for us). Then what do we do.
Instead can we not use that money to lobby for our goals.
Okay folks, how about this approach?
Since a lot of people do not donate because they think it won't make a difference, how about setting up an escrow-like account, which, if it meets its target (say $5M), is used for the purpose intended.
In case it falls severely short of the target by the due date, then everybody's money is returned without deducting any processing fee.
Any comments?
neverbefore
Do you see a donate progress bar at the top, it took an entire month and lot of pushing to get 10,000 US$ in donation.
People are not willing to donate, many have questions about credibility and what work is being done, some have lost entire hope and hence not willing to donate.
It is like chicken and egg, we are asking people to donate to see change, some are saying change is not there and donation does not make a difference.
If it is so difficult to collect 10,000 US$ a month how can your plan collect 5 million ?
If someone is going to ask you the following questions what are your answers,
1) If i donate 50$ what is the feedback (in terms of info, progress) that i will get?
2) What will you do if the administration thanks us and takes the donation and gives it off to a non-profit education organization. (giving donation does not mean that they will do something for us). Then what do we do.
Instead can we not use that money to lobby for our goals.
Okay folks, how about this approach?
Since a lot of people do not donate because they think it won't make a difference, how about setting up an escrow-like account, which, if it meets its target (say $5M), is used for the purpose intended.
In case it falls severely short of the target by the due date, then everybody's money is returned without deducting any processing fee.
Any comments?
neverbefore
sayantan76
04-13 06:03 PM
I am new to this community and have been watching some other forums online, but I am glad we have one dedicated for EB immigration. Way to go Immigration Voice!!!
Now, before anyone jumps at me, I promise to contribute for IV's efforts and donate for the various projects in a couple days.
The reason I am posting this is because I saw various threads with various ideas to gain visibility and make out cause known to all. I saw thready ranging from writing to senators to sending a 1 cent check everyday to sending a voided check for a big amount. Other notable ideas include sending flowers, calling senators, FOIA campaign, writing to the Obama administration, etc. While I agree that each of these actions contribute small drops to the ocean, I honestly think we should think BIG!!
I have analyzed EB Immigration considerably and here are my thoughts -
Anti-Immigrants, especially the ones against EB Immigration feel that we take away their jobs. However our defense against that is there's aren't that many skilled immigrants for certain skill set and hence we fill that void and keep corporate America competitive. However a lot of us argue that we who are waiting in line for our potential Green Cards pay our taxes and aide by the law, etc. All valid arguments. However, that doesn't make us any different than the majority of the 90% workforce that is employed. They all pay taxes too.
I have seen other ideas being floated around where they said "Buy a house, get a green card." Now, two issues with this - How many of us potential immigrants have 250 grand to invest in a house? I don't and can perhaps pay 5-10% down payment on a house. But if I lose my job, then I will be forced to default too and that doesn't help the economy. Also, there are more than 10 million homes in foreclosure and even hypothetically, let's say we will buy a house on a mortgage at 10% down. There are, say 1 million immigrants in waiting including dependents. And we buy 500,000 homes. That is a small dent in the entire real estate economy. Won't make a significant difference. Secondly, the current mess we are in was caused by the "sub prime" mortgage loans. If you know what "sub prime" means, then you probably know the areas where these houses were purchased. Have you seen the neighborhoods or the areas where these houses are foreclosed? A majority of us won't even drive through there, leave alone buying houses there. So obviously, us buying homes is not going to solve this economic mess. If you still insist, then you perhaps need to take a class on economics 101.
OK, say why am I saying all this? Well, for one, while its great that we put our brains to work to help solve the economic crisis, since a good economy has a knock on effect on immigration, but we can't come up with ordinary ideas. These are extraordinary times and we need extraordinary ideas. We need to think out of the box. I appreciate the efforts of IV with the FOIA drive, but here's my question with that - Besides knowing how long the wait is going to be to get our GC based on the information from USCIS, what other purpose is the FOIA going to solve? Probably not much. But I do agree that having those numbers helps us in identifying where we need to focus our lobbying efforts. If we know the bottleneck is EB2-EB3 spillover, we can work on that with USCIS.
Someone mentioned in another thread where we all need to concentrate on one effort rather than be divided in multiple efforts. And I think it was suggested that we focus on visa numbers recapturing. I think its a great idea. However, please be aware that in the context of CIR, EB immigration is a small drop. And hence any lobbying to increase/recapture visa numbers need to be done with the FB immigration. EB and FB together can lobby for the recapture visa numbers project and might achieve considerable success.
If we as EB immigrants need to make our voice known, we need to take a leaf out of the President's book, from his campaign. He started a grass roots level campaign and look at where that has led him to!! So here is my suggestion for a project that will highlight our cause and lead some of the anti- EB Immigration Aholes to shut up their various holes.
I am assuming we have around 500K immigrants in waiting. Let's say there are 250K primary applicants. The goal is we try to get an email database of as many potential immigrants we can. Next we start an email campaign highlighting a story of an immigrant family or a news article against immigration or lobbying by anti immigrant groups or lack of visibility in ongoing discussions on CIR. At the bottom of each email, we have a donate button that takes the person to IV's donation page/paypal, whatever it might be. We start with a minimum of $50 and go upwards to $500. The goal is if we have atleast, say 100,000 potential immigrants to contribute a min of $50, then if my calculations are in order, that is about $5 Millions. We might have more depending on how many more people contribute and how much more than the min $50 that people contribute. But the baseline collection would be about $5 Million. OK, so what do we with that money? Well, the biggest skill set for us EB immigrants are our education. We have a minimum of a bachelors degree and have a penchant for being well educated. That is the weakness in the American education system - Education. We say thousands of high school dropouts. Thousands of college drop outs. The Obama administration has clearly said they need to invest in America's future. And hence they have a big ambitious spending on fixing the educational system. I know that as non permanent residents or citizens, we are not allowed to contribute to any politicians. However, we can donate money to the state or to a charity organization. What I suggest is we collect this money and send it to the first lady, Michelle Obama and have her send this to a non profit community project for education on our behalf. This will bring a lot of attention because we as EB immigrants are saying, we want to contribute to better the educational system if given a chance so that the future American generations don't become prey to the 21st century American competitiveness like outsourcing and H Visas and stuff.
This might seem like a small drop in the ocean, but it is definitely a bright one!! And don't tell me it can't be done. It sure can be done. There was someone who already did this at the grassroots level, and his name is Barack Obama!!!
I am willing to talk to the IV Core team to discuss if needed.
While it seems like a great initiative - lets take a step back and examine the "materiality" of the $5MM number........
1. Annual budget of a typical State Univ is upwards of $1Bn.
2. $5MM can pay for college education of say, 100 kids (only about 50 if you include living expenses)
So, what the message that would go out in media would actually read like is the following:
"100,000 green card applicants trying to buy their way to US Residency by sponsoring 100 kids' college education and/or contributing 0.2% of Ohio State University's Annual Budget"
To the average American worker who has lost his/her job or knows someone close who has - this would, in my mind, seem like a bribe........and make them anti-EB if they already were not.........
All immigrant and non-immigrant workers do their fair share for this country by paying their taxes and abiding by the laws of the land + they pay significant fees during their entire H1 and GC process- a proposal that involves them shelling out any more $$s would only create a sense that we are trying to buy our way in plus its not really fair on the applicants in any way.
Now, before anyone jumps at me, I promise to contribute for IV's efforts and donate for the various projects in a couple days.
The reason I am posting this is because I saw various threads with various ideas to gain visibility and make out cause known to all. I saw thready ranging from writing to senators to sending a 1 cent check everyday to sending a voided check for a big amount. Other notable ideas include sending flowers, calling senators, FOIA campaign, writing to the Obama administration, etc. While I agree that each of these actions contribute small drops to the ocean, I honestly think we should think BIG!!
I have analyzed EB Immigration considerably and here are my thoughts -
Anti-Immigrants, especially the ones against EB Immigration feel that we take away their jobs. However our defense against that is there's aren't that many skilled immigrants for certain skill set and hence we fill that void and keep corporate America competitive. However a lot of us argue that we who are waiting in line for our potential Green Cards pay our taxes and aide by the law, etc. All valid arguments. However, that doesn't make us any different than the majority of the 90% workforce that is employed. They all pay taxes too.
I have seen other ideas being floated around where they said "Buy a house, get a green card." Now, two issues with this - How many of us potential immigrants have 250 grand to invest in a house? I don't and can perhaps pay 5-10% down payment on a house. But if I lose my job, then I will be forced to default too and that doesn't help the economy. Also, there are more than 10 million homes in foreclosure and even hypothetically, let's say we will buy a house on a mortgage at 10% down. There are, say 1 million immigrants in waiting including dependents. And we buy 500,000 homes. That is a small dent in the entire real estate economy. Won't make a significant difference. Secondly, the current mess we are in was caused by the "sub prime" mortgage loans. If you know what "sub prime" means, then you probably know the areas where these houses were purchased. Have you seen the neighborhoods or the areas where these houses are foreclosed? A majority of us won't even drive through there, leave alone buying houses there. So obviously, us buying homes is not going to solve this economic mess. If you still insist, then you perhaps need to take a class on economics 101.
OK, say why am I saying all this? Well, for one, while its great that we put our brains to work to help solve the economic crisis, since a good economy has a knock on effect on immigration, but we can't come up with ordinary ideas. These are extraordinary times and we need extraordinary ideas. We need to think out of the box. I appreciate the efforts of IV with the FOIA drive, but here's my question with that - Besides knowing how long the wait is going to be to get our GC based on the information from USCIS, what other purpose is the FOIA going to solve? Probably not much. But I do agree that having those numbers helps us in identifying where we need to focus our lobbying efforts. If we know the bottleneck is EB2-EB3 spillover, we can work on that with USCIS.
Someone mentioned in another thread where we all need to concentrate on one effort rather than be divided in multiple efforts. And I think it was suggested that we focus on visa numbers recapturing. I think its a great idea. However, please be aware that in the context of CIR, EB immigration is a small drop. And hence any lobbying to increase/recapture visa numbers need to be done with the FB immigration. EB and FB together can lobby for the recapture visa numbers project and might achieve considerable success.
If we as EB immigrants need to make our voice known, we need to take a leaf out of the President's book, from his campaign. He started a grass roots level campaign and look at where that has led him to!! So here is my suggestion for a project that will highlight our cause and lead some of the anti- EB Immigration Aholes to shut up their various holes.
I am assuming we have around 500K immigrants in waiting. Let's say there are 250K primary applicants. The goal is we try to get an email database of as many potential immigrants we can. Next we start an email campaign highlighting a story of an immigrant family or a news article against immigration or lobbying by anti immigrant groups or lack of visibility in ongoing discussions on CIR. At the bottom of each email, we have a donate button that takes the person to IV's donation page/paypal, whatever it might be. We start with a minimum of $50 and go upwards to $500. The goal is if we have atleast, say 100,000 potential immigrants to contribute a min of $50, then if my calculations are in order, that is about $5 Millions. We might have more depending on how many more people contribute and how much more than the min $50 that people contribute. But the baseline collection would be about $5 Million. OK, so what do we with that money? Well, the biggest skill set for us EB immigrants are our education. We have a minimum of a bachelors degree and have a penchant for being well educated. That is the weakness in the American education system - Education. We say thousands of high school dropouts. Thousands of college drop outs. The Obama administration has clearly said they need to invest in America's future. And hence they have a big ambitious spending on fixing the educational system. I know that as non permanent residents or citizens, we are not allowed to contribute to any politicians. However, we can donate money to the state or to a charity organization. What I suggest is we collect this money and send it to the first lady, Michelle Obama and have her send this to a non profit community project for education on our behalf. This will bring a lot of attention because we as EB immigrants are saying, we want to contribute to better the educational system if given a chance so that the future American generations don't become prey to the 21st century American competitiveness like outsourcing and H Visas and stuff.
This might seem like a small drop in the ocean, but it is definitely a bright one!! And don't tell me it can't be done. It sure can be done. There was someone who already did this at the grassroots level, and his name is Barack Obama!!!
I am willing to talk to the IV Core team to discuss if needed.
While it seems like a great initiative - lets take a step back and examine the "materiality" of the $5MM number........
1. Annual budget of a typical State Univ is upwards of $1Bn.
2. $5MM can pay for college education of say, 100 kids (only about 50 if you include living expenses)
So, what the message that would go out in media would actually read like is the following:
"100,000 green card applicants trying to buy their way to US Residency by sponsoring 100 kids' college education and/or contributing 0.2% of Ohio State University's Annual Budget"
To the average American worker who has lost his/her job or knows someone close who has - this would, in my mind, seem like a bribe........and make them anti-EB if they already were not.........
All immigrant and non-immigrant workers do their fair share for this country by paying their taxes and abiding by the laws of the land + they pay significant fees during their entire H1 and GC process- a proposal that involves them shelling out any more $$s would only create a sense that we are trying to buy our way in plus its not really fair on the applicants in any way.
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kaisersose
07-19 01:56 PM
Very good, ask your wife to bring a load of sweets for IV member. ;)
good one!
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marlon2006
09-15 09:12 AM
I think it is nice that you are trying to see the thing from a positive side, but the reality is that for most of professionals lack of GC does make a big difference. As far as I people who wanted GC and once get it remain with same employer, I think that is a matter of personal preference. I can tell you that once I got the EAD - not even the greencard - that made an important difference in my life. Immediately I applied and got a temp/part-time opportunity, which provided me with additional source of income and job satisfication. My wife started working. I became eligible for Federal Financial Aid to sponsor my masters program. You can see how living in a limbo sucks.
Moreover, even if it turns out one chooses to stick with same employer after getting the GC, at minimum one can be eligible for unemployment insurance, get any job, etc.
I have several friends who were waiting for GC desparately and they thought it was the final destination. They had many reasons why to get GC and once they get, they will be free and can do / will do everything possible. But, once they got it, they settled in a permanent job. Without GC, they were working for the same client with even more pay and life was good if not better.
I was thinking the same way; because I am no different.
Oflate, I realised, I am un-necessarily worried about something which is not in my control. I realised that I am well paid, with this pay even the benefits I am not getting are compensated. Why am I worried? Should I be after GC in order to get peace of mind? I started looking it little differently. I am in this country to earn more money and live comfortably. I am already enjoying what I wanted. Then, why am I worried still? May be it is in human nature to always look for something which is not in the hands.
I still need GC for other things like Children education and get some other benefits (our education / starting business etc). I agree, but there is lot of time for that in my case. There are several people who are in the same state as me if not all. Everyone's needs are different.
I thought I will just share my ideas so that atleast some of the people will be happier.
Moreover, even if it turns out one chooses to stick with same employer after getting the GC, at minimum one can be eligible for unemployment insurance, get any job, etc.
I have several friends who were waiting for GC desparately and they thought it was the final destination. They had many reasons why to get GC and once they get, they will be free and can do / will do everything possible. But, once they got it, they settled in a permanent job. Without GC, they were working for the same client with even more pay and life was good if not better.
I was thinking the same way; because I am no different.
Oflate, I realised, I am un-necessarily worried about something which is not in my control. I realised that I am well paid, with this pay even the benefits I am not getting are compensated. Why am I worried? Should I be after GC in order to get peace of mind? I started looking it little differently. I am in this country to earn more money and live comfortably. I am already enjoying what I wanted. Then, why am I worried still? May be it is in human nature to always look for something which is not in the hands.
I still need GC for other things like Children education and get some other benefits (our education / starting business etc). I agree, but there is lot of time for that in my case. There are several people who are in the same state as me if not all. Everyone's needs are different.
I thought I will just share my ideas so that atleast some of the people will be happier.
pady
08-20 04:14 PM
I tried to contact the attorney so badly until Aug 16th, but he never responded. I was able to get hold of him only on Aug 17th. I guess he was directed by my employer so.
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aviko21
10-10 09:03 PM
Ok some people think they are glorifed bodyshoppers while others think they are great service companies!
Since everyone got their point across - someone please close this thread
Since everyone got their point across - someone please close this thread
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GCapplicant
06-12 05:22 PM
There is no offence in the remark- so true...blessed many more to come and will follow us.
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vrbest
10-03 04:35 PM
Got my EAD Card. My wife's approved on Oct 1st - My son's approved today.
Took close to 90 days with NSC.
Took close to 90 days with NSC.
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indianabacklog
08-01 10:05 AM
I know it is not the right place to put it. I could not find any appropriate thread. My wife is planning to go for H4 visa stamping in October. My question is can she go alone and what kind of documents she need. Our I-485 applications have reached USCIS on July 2nd. Any reply will be greatly appreciated.
Yes she can go alone. She will need her H4 approval notice as well as your H1B approval notice. Additionally since you have applied for AOS take them for good measure. My husband recently went for H4 stamping in London and they did not actually require the adjustment receipt notice but did take anyway with his documents.
Yes she can go alone. She will need her H4 approval notice as well as your H1B approval notice. Additionally since you have applied for AOS take them for good measure. My husband recently went for H4 stamping in London and they did not actually require the adjustment receipt notice but did take anyway with his documents.
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logiclife
03-21 04:47 PM
In order to be sending consistent messages to all lawmakers, please email Varsha and Sanjay at varsha@immigrationvoice.org and sanjay@immigrationvoice.org respectively and get the material and talking points from them.
Its very important to read those tips and directions and also keep in mind the talking points.
We have crafted those points after intense experience in talking about these issues and these are tried and tested talking points that work. Stick to the message and you will really make a big difference.
Its very important to read those tips and directions and also keep in mind the talking points.
We have crafted those points after intense experience in talking about these issues and these are tried and tested talking points that work. Stick to the message and you will really make a big difference.
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pady
08-20 04:01 PM
I guess this link is for H1 violation.
I knew that this is against the law to pay for GC expenses, but as you guys know we are all in the same boat. There is nothing I can do except to fight.
I knew that this is against the law to pay for GC expenses, but as you guys know we are all in the same boat. There is nothing I can do except to fight.
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like_watching_paint_dry
02-27 03:15 PM
LOL. This thread again...
They gamble, they lose and then they whine about rules being unfair here.
And this willwin guy has the nerve to give me a red mark on my post saying I'm not being diplomatic... like I care about being diplomatic when they want IV to shift its primary focus in order to cater to such ridiculous asks!! If I wanted to be diplomatic, I'd have come here on foreign service. :rolleyes:
They gamble, they lose and then they whine about rules being unfair here.
And this willwin guy has the nerve to give me a red mark on my post saying I'm not being diplomatic... like I care about being diplomatic when they want IV to shift its primary focus in order to cater to such ridiculous asks!! If I wanted to be diplomatic, I'd have come here on foreign service. :rolleyes:
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India_USA
04-22 12:09 PM
Check this out: Brian Bilbray, GOP Rep., Claims Clothes Identify Illegal Immigrants (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/22/brian-bilbray-gop-rep-cla_n_547710.html)
We have been living in a county which has implemented 287g for some time. And I believe all legal residents in my county feel safer because of its implementation. Sure, there is a chance that 287g can be misused by the police. But tell me one law which can not be misused by police.
The thing is that more counties are signing on to 287g. St. Mary's County Joins Controversial Federal Immigration Initiative - Southern Maryland Headline News (http://somd.com/news/headlines/2010/11667.shtml).
I went thru the proposal in Arizona and could not find even one point which might be bad for us. Did any of you find something? Format Document (http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/2r/summary/h.sb1070_04-13-10_houseengrossed.doc.htm). I feel, IV should support such laws. We want the citizens and law abiding people in this country to support us; not the illegals.
"trained professionals" can identify undocumented workers just by looking at their clothes......"They will look at the kind of dress you wear, there is different type of attire, there is different type of -- right down to the shoes, right down to the clothes," Bilbray replied.
How long before we are targeted based on this rationale (our traditional dresses are easily recognizable!!) ....... These policies will only spiral in the wrong direction, making every immigrant's life miserable - be it legal or illegal!!!
We have been living in a county which has implemented 287g for some time. And I believe all legal residents in my county feel safer because of its implementation. Sure, there is a chance that 287g can be misused by the police. But tell me one law which can not be misused by police.
The thing is that more counties are signing on to 287g. St. Mary's County Joins Controversial Federal Immigration Initiative - Southern Maryland Headline News (http://somd.com/news/headlines/2010/11667.shtml).
I went thru the proposal in Arizona and could not find even one point which might be bad for us. Did any of you find something? Format Document (http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/2r/summary/h.sb1070_04-13-10_houseengrossed.doc.htm). I feel, IV should support such laws. We want the citizens and law abiding people in this country to support us; not the illegals.
"trained professionals" can identify undocumented workers just by looking at their clothes......"They will look at the kind of dress you wear, there is different type of attire, there is different type of -- right down to the shoes, right down to the clothes," Bilbray replied.
How long before we are targeted based on this rationale (our traditional dresses are easily recognizable!!) ....... These policies will only spiral in the wrong direction, making every immigrant's life miserable - be it legal or illegal!!!
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map_boiler
11-06 12:02 PM
I think EADs are sent to the applicant and AP to the attorney...had the same in my case...plus seen lots of folks here say the same thing...
Arent you concerned that if its approved on Oct 1, and you didnt get it, then where is it? Did you ask them as to why you havent gotten it in mail even though it has been approved a month ago? Also, did you check with your lawyer if he got anything?
Arent you concerned that if its approved on Oct 1, and you didnt get it, then where is it? Did you ask them as to why you havent gotten it in mail even though it has been approved a month ago? Also, did you check with your lawyer if he got anything?
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pnjbindia
01-06 01:08 AM
dude, that was funny.. I am rolling on the floor..... I did not know that Anubis ate a whole desert.... I am sure Bhima from Mahabharat could give him some competition...
He would definitely be rolling in his grave by your spelling :D It is "dessert". Unless you are one of the mythical Egyptian gods like Anubis, you are not going to eat a "desert" :p
He would definitely be rolling in his grave by your spelling :D It is "dessert". Unless you are one of the mythical Egyptian gods like Anubis, you are not going to eat a "desert" :p
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gk_2000
07-29 01:29 PM
asylum - you are very funny
lottery - acctualy they have a country limit
green card - :confused:
undocumented - we are talking about legal immigration (for gk_2000 also)
explain your logic please...........the limits are not based on Asian, African, Indian,etc........please check the dictionary to find out what it means racism.
Thanks
It seems from your posts, the adage would apply to you: "You CANT wake up a man who is pretending to sleep". I will try not to pay any more attention to you
lottery - acctualy they have a country limit
green card - :confused:
undocumented - we are talking about legal immigration (for gk_2000 also)
explain your logic please...........the limits are not based on Asian, African, Indian,etc........please check the dictionary to find out what it means racism.
Thanks
It seems from your posts, the adage would apply to you: "You CANT wake up a man who is pretending to sleep". I will try not to pay any more attention to you
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02-03 06:22 AM
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newu77
07-02 04:11 PM
I spent $500 for medical.
Lawyer fee and other expenses (fedex etc) (around $2000) - paid by my company.
plus $1500 is filing fee (which I guess should be refunded).
Lawyer fee and other expenses (fedex etc) (around $2000) - paid by my company.
plus $1500 is filing fee (which I guess should be refunded).
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